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RICHARD BANDLER - MAGICAL STRUCTURES
Transcribed by Dr. Nelper 2001-01-05
... not a therapy group, it's a training session. If you want to go to
therapy, well, we can recommend some therapists who are very reliable.
Some of their clients have seen them for 20 or 30 years.
Yeah, I was just pointing out to John that for the very first time, I
noticed that when you were on your break chattering, you were all
chattering in the same rhythm. Because up until today, and it, and it,
because it hurts my ears, it was so off it created an weird echo in the
room. When you would talk during exercises or during breaks, and for the
first time, you guys are starting to open up your ears enough and
respond to your environment, that, you know, you were all talking in
this little rhythm together. It's kind of a Latin thing you had going.
Except for one of you, and you know who you are.
Something I did years ago in a group just I was in an odd mode and, as I
like to tell people, as far as I know, every human being in this room,
is capable, of making changes to make their lives absolutely wonderful
and can have any choice, they want and even more importantly, choices
that you've never even thought about, that are more worth wanting.
Except for one of you and you know who you are, will you please stand
up? AND, 15 people in the room stood up. Including one of the trainers,
that was working with me. Then.
You guys do watch and listen don't you? The outside is really cool, you
should try it sometime.
OK, somebody actually made me really laugh last night, I had to admit.
It wasn't in this group, but. Ah...
There was a couple fighting, I went out last night cause I wanted some
cereal. So I went to the little store across the street here, and I went
in the little store and I got a box of cereals, and a cord of milk, and
I walked out and I, was walking back to the hotel and as I stepped out
and across the street, there was a couple, and I guess, you know, they'd
had a couple of drinks, but boy were they into it fighting with another.
And I mean, you know, it's bad enough that people fight with each other
but to do it in public, excuse me. Well, this just shows me that not
only do they have no self-respect, right, they want everyone to know it.
Ah, but, this this woman boy, I wanna tell you, she was cruel but she
was funny. And ah, cause this guy was, this guy was really trying to put
her down, and he said, he was going "Well, you know" he said, "of course
I look at other women" he said, "you've let yourself go, you nothing but
a fat pig", right? And she looked at him and she said, "Nonononono,
that's the boys you went out with last night." And he spun around and
you could see smoke coming out his ears and he goes "What are you trying
to say?" and she said "Well," she said "when it comes to love, I'm sure
somebody's hearing Suuuuue". And he was very upset, he said, he said,
"Look" you know he says "I'm no queer" and she said "Well, even they
have standards." Ewww.
And then I laughed and he turned around and he looked at me and he goes
"What's the matter with you, faggot?" and SHE started laughing. And I
said, I said "Nothing Sir," I said I said "I'm sorry but I wasn't really
looking at you" I said "I was looking at your husband here."... He
didn't even get it, he went "Huh? What?" And I said "Hold that thought,
hold that thought, make that picture bigger bigger bigger, now, excuse
me" and I walked right by them. And they're probably still standing out
there.
Cause I don't know what it is about people when they have a few drinks
they think it's time to go fight. I don't think drinking and fighting
are really a good idea, cause I used to do it and you get hurt. Right,
you know, you know, if you're gonna get in a fight you wanna be very
alert and you want them to be very fucked up. Uh, you know, I've
discovered through the years all kinds of things that you can do that
are... a lot better.
Robert Dilts and I one time had met and I met him in a little bar around
the corner from my house, and nobody ever went in there. Usually the
place the firemen and off duty policemen hung out, and stuff, but.
Actually attached to the fire station in SEL KELV when I lived there...
And... Robert met me there, cause Robert's wife didn't let me over their
house. She thought I was a bad influence, cause you know he's a
catholic, and, and, and I, you know, me, it's like I always go in and
talk to the statues in their house and stuff. And they answer.
I go "Ey, Virgin Mary, hehehe, they bought that one, didn't they?" Uh,
"Yeah, that's right, there's a big angel but no genitals" Uh, because
arch, you know, did you read that thing, archangels have no genitals?
Oh, it was on TV last night, you know, there's a guy, I don't care where
you are in the United States, if they have cable, and you go around, and
there is nothing but info commercials on. One station will have this one
minister guy, from this chapel in, you know, somewhere in Georgia or
something, I don't know. And he's always there, he's always got a bible,
it's always open to the exact same page. Has been for years now. The
Sheppard's chapel, you know who I'm talking about?... And he's the one
who always, he's so great cause he goes "Well." he goes "and what this
really means is is that, well, that God is not gonna put up with any of
that kinda shit." You know, uh. He's a very strange guy, he, he has
reinterpreted the bible in ways that I find to be high comedy.
And if you're really bored, watch it, because who's ever doing the stage
work there, is obviously not on this guy's side. It's the one recently
that just pulled a gun on somebody in the chapel. Somebody come in, was
harassing him, somebody from another religion. He sits on court TV. I
saw it this afternoon, it's not much to do in this town.
Uh, well, usually I have a car I can go out and buy some books or
something but, uh. The credit card company, I paid my credit card bill
off and they made some kind of a mistake, uh, and uh, didn't pay
themselves. And but they did send me a check back for twice as much.
So my credit card wasn't working so I had trouble renting a car, so I'm
trapped in the doctor-is-kill hotel. And, some of you may have noticed,
but last night I started getting too wacky, and I don't know what it is
about looking at pentagrams all the time. Everywhere I look there are
pentagrams, pentagrams, pentagrams. I started counting them, one
pentagram, two pentagrams, three pentagram, four. Five pentagram, six
pentagram, six six six more.
Well, they made a mistake, they shouldn't do it, you know, the hallway
I'm on Dom's Stair, Dom's used to me you know, you know, I mean, flame's
coming out the door and he won't say anything other than, "Richard," he
said, "do you need more lighter fluid?" Uh, you know, cause I do things
like, sometimes I build a kiln in my room. You know, and. You know,
fire, make my own things, fire clay things in there, if I'm feeling like
doing that. Some people think you can't do that, but I'm a pretty good
scientist, I can build pretty much anything out of anything.
I built my own air conditioner the other night. EY! They weren't gonna
do it! Right, you know, it didn't work for that long but it worked
enough that I got my part of the hotel cooled off. Till they finally
flew in the pump and managed to make a water fall between my room and
Dom's. So I got a note in my room which said the water's gonna be turned
off all last night. Right, from midnight till six in the morning, which
is when I'm most alive. Uh, you know. It's like.
That's when you know everybody else goes to bed, and the air waves are
all mine. And I thought, well, no water. You know, cause I use water for
things. Water is an important thing, you know. When you urinate, I like
to flush the toilet. If you just pee in the hallway, I'm gonna be here
for four more days, you know? You know, not to mention the things, I
boil a lot of water in my work. You're laughing, wait till tonight. So
last night I had to create my own water supply. That was more
challenging. And, I guess it was, I don't know, my wife rolled out of
bed and went in, went to the bathroom and took a little bath about three
in the morning and got back in bed. She leaned over and she said, she
says "I guess it's not midnight yet. There's, there's water." and I went
"Right, guess it's not midnight yet." and turned the clock upside down.
Hey, plumbing is very easy to do. It only requires a wrench. Uh, you
know, if they have water somewhere in the hotel, you should be able to
have water everywhere in the hotel, don't you think?
It's like I'm gonna go and make some of these elevators work. I also
found out there's another way out of this hotel. See last night, I've
started, well it wasn't there before but it is now. There was a door
that was bolted closed, near where my room is. Right, and the nice thing
about pad locks is that if you turn them sideways, hold them down at an
angle like this, and tap them very
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softly with a hammer, all the tumblers will fall to one side. See,
helpful hints at every turn of the road. Next time you can't find that
fucking key to that padlock! Now, if it doesn't open, it's because you
have a lock with the light end... down, you have to have the heavy end.
That's the parts with the wide end of the key. Right. You think about
it. Tumblers are in there, the more they dig away, the more you want it
at top. So the thin part of the key has to be towards the earth. Or this
doesn't work very well. But I discovered if you tap it, and I opened it
up. and there's a stairway that you "diggedidadiggedida..:" and it goes
right outside! Right... And guess what? From the outside, there is no
lock to come in. So it's OK if you break into the hotel, but it's not OK
if you break out.
This is where the concept of the Roach Motel came from. And if you've
been on that street at night, you can understand why.
I wanted to talk a little bit, this morning, I want you to try
something, cause I've noticed, well... Some of you may have done too
much reframing, whether or not you went to an NLP seminar, or not. It's
very common for people to have developed, over the years internal dialog
which does not agree with them. Do you know what I'm talking about? If
not, go inside and ask if there's a part of you that does...
Now, what I'm gonna suggest at first may not sound like a good idea, but
the purpose for which I want you to do it is not the one that most
people use it. It boils down to this, it's that one of the things that
happened is they brought me somebody and they, they said, that this
person thought they were possessed. By the devil. Right, and I said,
"Cooool", I said, "Does he pay the bills too?". And they said "No, this
is not a laughing matter." And they were wrong, again.
Because the first thing they did is open the door and they brought in a
priest. Well, of course, they told me they brought somebody who thought
he was possessed. They bring in a guy dressed in a black dress, right,
and they didn't say they brought anybody else. Right, so I thought this
was the person. I had no idea. that they had gotten their client out of
some place where there were actually priests who did not believe in the
devil. Think about that. What the fuck is going on in the church anyway?
You know if you're gonna be a lunatic, at least you should read your own
rules. But no, these are modern priests, they told me "We are modern
priests" and that this is one of their partitioners, whatever that
means, and that this person had a psychological problem and believe they
were possessed by the devil. Let me get this straight, okey, you brought
one of your guys and they said, "Well, we're psychological, we do
ecumenical counseling." And I said, "What the fuck is that? Oh that
means, you do Freudian psychotherapy with the dress on?"
Ahh haaa, that raises some fucking sicko issues doesn't it? Right,
cause, you know, what Freud said about, you know, he didn't approve
about homosexuality, but he seemed to know a lot about it. But then,
there was a little man inside of him that wanted to fuck anything as far
as I could tell. He believed you had an Ego but then you had an Id and
it was horny. Right, it was, at all moments in time, peeing out from
behind your eyes going "Ahh ahhh ahhh ahh ahh ahh, Oh man, there's Mom,
let's fuck her right now!" What a sick fuck this guy was. Analyzing the
dreams of adult and having the to remember dreams they had when they
were babies, where they wanted to fuck their mother. This is HIS dreams,
by the way. Freud's! Right, now even if you had dreams like that, I
wouldn't be telling people about it, for heaven's sakes.
I mean this guy was... and of course, he took so much cocaine, and
that's really a good way, by the way, to get levelheaded. Take a drug
that makes you go "Hmmmmm (uppåt)... rrnnnggg (nedåt)... ngngngnng" So
you wanna take more "rnnnggg (uppåt)... ngrrrr (nedåt)" and of course,
they didn't fuck around in those days, they didn't snort it, they shot
it. Cause after all, it worked faster. Right AND they would stay up for
days and days at a time and find themselves like many people you will
today standing next to a window with the crack slightly open going "..."
And I always like to walk up behind them and go "Is something wrong?"
And they go "No no, I don't think so." And I go "Cool. So what's not out
there?" Then I like to sneak out the door and throw pebbles at the
window. Either that, or as soon as they turn around and look at me Look
at the window like this and they go "What?" "Nothing" and when you turn
around you go "double it double it double it" and they go "What?" and
"No, I just the feeling, wooo wooo"
You see, to me, any drug you have to take again that soon isn't worth
it, that's like coffee, I hate coffee. ---- people that go, "Uh man,
there's a Starbucks around here man?" So bad, I can't believe it. They
build 350 Starbuck's last year, that's more than one per day. Right, and
these people in line going throw withdrawal waiting for their Latte
blablablabla their fix of caffeine, you can get a coffee for a dollar
you know. You don't have to pay five bucks for a cup of coffee. Excuse
me! Go out and get some freezesnide(?) stuff and just snort it.
But the trouble with caffeine "Rrrrrrr rrrr rr" is you go back right
down. Up, right back down. Only the thing is, you have two nervous
systems, the sympathetic and the parasympathetic, well, not THAT
sympathetic, but, depends on what you put in it. Now, when you do
something which make you go adrenaline, "Rgnnnnngh...(upp)" then you
body secretes something to make you relax. "Rrgggg...(ned)" goes the
other way, so you need more coffee "Rrrgggh...(upp)" Right, so after a
while, people can drink 5 6 cups of coffee, and look you straight in the
eye and go "Yeah, I don't feel anything. Uh, except like I need more.
That's OK, I drink too much coffee, I'll have a coke instead." Which has
twice as much caffeine. Now as far as drugs go caffeine's OK, but it's
not really that great, because as soon as you get it going in your body,
your body tells you to give you something to calm you down. Which makes
you want more.
Cocaine is even more that way. Crack, the new designer drug.... I like
this drug, you don't have to wait to be addicted, you take it and you
ARE addicted. It's designed that way. What is does, is that is makes it
so that not only do you start to respond, right, with an intense
response, it secretes a fluid into your muscles that as you start to
come down, goes into your blood stream, and makes you feel horrible
until you take more crack. When you take the crack, it doesn't even make
you feel good. You have to have it to not feel bad. And the more you
take it to not feel bad, the more it gets into your muscles and builds
up till the point where freebasers and crack people will start to have
it oozing out of their skin, have open sores, there's so much of it in
I find that the easiest way to deal with them, by the way, if you work
with these people, you take them and put them on dialysis for a week.
It's not the most pleasant thing, but I tell you it is a lot more
pleasant than withdrawal. We've tried it with all kinds of stuff,
schizophrenia for example. You know, I've said it's a bad set of
chemicals? We took some FLAMING schizophrenics, we're talking manheaver
frenics, the kind that are rolling around, being whipped with bob wire,
screaming at the top of their lungs, you know, uh, I mean having to be
strapped down, you know, and stuff, and to me, I always find that if you
strap the shrinks down, and let the schizophrenics run wild, it works
better.
But, we tried an experiment, because, you know, I believe very strongly
that a major part of this is that you're mixing bad chemicals. And that
all hallucinating, including the presidents and congress, can be cured
if we clean their blood supply up. Because, you know it's not just that
you get angry, then you have to make all those chemicals. They are still
washing through your system. And then it creates a parasympathetic
response, that's why people get mad, and then they have a kind of
depressed about being mad, and then they get angry about feeling bad
about feeling angry. And they go back and forth. Right, and people come
up now and say "I'm bipolar" and I go "So is the Earth,
congratulations."
But you put them on dialysis, you know, and 3 or 4 hours later Pffft,
they're fine. Right, clean their bloods path and it will last a day or
two, and then they go back and make the same bad chemicals. So you once
again have to do the thing we have to teach them to unconsciously do new
things.
Well, I saw Milton do this weird thing one time, cause Milton was a
strange guy. I don't care what anybody... We did not get along, Milton
and I, people say "How were you able to write the book about him so
fast?" and it's easy because I didn't like'em.
I liked the effect that he could get, but I didn't like the way he
treated other human beings. And he was just a pain in the ass. So am I.
So you have the two of us together. It's just unnecessary. And he was
not real fond of me either, I have to admit, he kept constantly telling
me how "Gregory Bateson sent two young men down... one of them was an
asshole". I said, "Thank you very much, Milton, and one of us is in a
wheel chair, and the other isn't. And one of us has the ability to take
the other's wheelchair and push it in the highway, ahahaha." Right
outside the door there too.
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By the way, did I show you the trick I did with the ball PEEN hammer?
And he had a big No Smoking sign in there and I said "Ah, so you don't
want me light anybody's pyjamas on fire then?" Milton went, he said
"Some years ago Gregory Bateson sent two young men to me..." He hit the
intercom "RRRR" "Betty? Betty, come in here!" But Betty never came when
I was there. Cause Richard had a screw driver. When I'd come there, I go
inside, and I'd take the wires off the intercom. I found that, and I'd
say "Betty" I go you know "Milton and I are, he's probably gonna" She
said "He's always making me come in and get things " because you know,
he believed in free will... this much.
First day John and I were there, uh, he said "Do you know much about the
personality?" and I said "No" I said "We don't do phychology" I said "We
are not psychologists, we don't believe in that kind of stuff." And he
looked at me like ....
Hit the intercom "RRRR" "Betty, come in here." and Betty came in went
"What is it Milton?" he said "THE RING!" and she went "Oh no, not that
Milton anything" "THE RING" And she totally changed, she went WOOO it's
like watching one of those wolf man movies, right, only the other way.
She was this nice sweet old lady and suddenly she turned in to this
Femme Fatal... Slut Monger from hell. Right and she went "You look like
two nice young men... You know, some years ago Gregory Bateson sent to
young men from California. One was a great fuck."
But you know, uh, her personality had totally changed, because she'd
been a multiple personality, and and and, in the hospital, that's how
Milton met her. And he liked it so he just kept them, he just wanted to
be the one just change the personalities. I find this is like being a
little bit too controlling as a therapist, personally.
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